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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Aug 5, 2006 1:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: The crap the boys had to take in 1972

On the deadlists web site there is interesting commentary with the set lists in many cases- at one time these folks on this site were trying to capture all the band's chit chat on stage- it seems they had a lot of problems with people demanding songs like alligator or other pig songs- and some of the comments ( read them) the band members got surly in their responses to the crowds- and the crowds were obnoxious as borne out by the band comments

who was there and can comment on this?

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Aug 6, 2006 10:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The crap the boys had to take in 1972

I've heard several Fillmore East exchanges between the band and the audience which leads me to believe that Ace was always a smart-ass. See Ya.

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Aug 7, 2006 10:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The crap the boys had to take in 1972

Speaking of Ace - how about the comments in the Festival Express movie? RIGHT ON! Like he said - these are people who didn't deserve to have rocks thrown at their heads. Why? Just because they had the nerve to try and not let a bunch of lazy losers ( who think life owes them ) create a riot? And for any idealists out there who think the Dead were about giving everything out for free - check out Jerry's comments to the crowd. Clearly he was just as annoyed at the entitlement mindset.

Oh and as far as other comments - I think Weir has allways been given way too much shit and not enough respect from fans. Ratdog blows away Phil these days, not even close.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 7, 2006 10:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The crap the boys had to take in 1972

"Ratdog blows away Phil these days, not even close."

This from the man who directed me to the Alaska Kimock shows of '01???? I am shocked and dismayed!!!!

......Only kidding :) personal taste makes the music world revolve.

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Aug 7, 2006 10:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The crap the boys had to take in 1972

: )

Well Phil's first excursions ( circa 99 ) were better than even anything the Dead did their last 4 years. WAY more interesting and adventuresome then he hooked up with Warren and became another version of the Allman Bros. Love the ABB but don't love Phil sounding like them. Also don't care for his choice for covers either. PLus, I'm not exactly one of those people that wants Phil to sing any more than one song a show. Not as bad as Donna but....

Ratdog - NEVER liked em until hearing their recent stuff. Captures the soul of the music much better for me. I was lucky enough to see that Comes a Time tribute at the Greek last November. It was great. Weir did a fantastic job organizing things on stage. Believe it or not - even with a great setlist like Help>Slip and Eyes, it was LAzy River Road of all songs that touched me the deepest.

Yeah that Kimmock is a killer huh? Gotta say he gets the closest of anyone at reaching that same magic for me. Apparantly you too huh Dire?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 7, 2006 11:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The crap the boys had to take in 1972

hmm - methinks you and I are overloading the forum all of a sudden :) oops - but i am sitting here with a broken leg and very bored - in the immortal voice of jerry "nothing left to do but chat, chat, chat!!" - oh, wait a minute, that's not quite the lyrics ;)

I agree that Phil with Warren did get a bit too heavy on the Allman sound. I liked it, but am very glad Phil "moved on" from that lineup. I do love the new lineup, I think they sound great, and Joan is just phenomenal taking over lead voice. I'm certainly no phan of phil singing either but i give him props for trying - thank god for Joan.
Havent seen or heard ratdog on the current/just passed tour. Heard some negative things from people who go to both, but it is only hearsay and personal opinion. (just love Lazy River Road - glad to hear he can pull it off).

And yes, I totally agree that Kimock "gets the closest of anyone at reaching that same magic." Fell in love with his sound during the Other Ones shows and from Phil's live disc from 99 (?). Kimock floored me then and still floors me now - he can hit some combinations and phrasings that bring tears of joy to my eyes (literally) - especially in songs like Tongue 'n Groove,Life of the Party, Malichi, itsup2u etc. Just a phenomenal artist!!!

This post was modified by direwolf0701 on 2006-08-07 18:17:56

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Aug 7, 2006 11:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The crap the boys had to take in 1972

LOL Dire! Sorry about your leg. Can't say I have an excuse, I'm supposed to working! : 0

It's Monday, hard to get motivated : )

I'm going to give some recent Phil a listen. Maybe I'm missing something.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 7, 2006 11:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The crap the boys had to take in 1972

work?? what is that?? i think ive forgotten i actually have a job - this is like an extended vacation without the fun parts :)

check out the 7/9/06 Phil just put on the LMA. great shakedown into cumberland, candyman is beautiful - st stephen and high time are also highlights. Not much of Phil singing either :)

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Aug 7, 2006 11:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The crap the boys had to take in 1972

ok. I'll let you know

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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Aug 6, 2006 10:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The crap the boys had to take in 1972

I do not mind talking to myself sometimes- if you have a chance, check out www.deadlists.com and search for all 1972 shows- many of the gigs have notes about what the members of the band were saying on stage and what they were hearing dfrom the crowd

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 6, 2006 4:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The crap the boys had to take in 1972

no different than many modern bands - if Jerry had any kind of backbone at all - he would still be alive today. To Ace - See Ya you f'in piece of trash - ratdog sucks as they are today - Phil rules

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Poster: Lewis/Klitschko Date: Aug 6, 2006 5:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The crap the boys had to take in 1972

Thank God the Dead didn't adhere to the audience's requests and made smartass responses. The audience was pressuring the Dead to take the path of most rock bands, because that's how the ticket-buying public was conditioned to behave. Of course, the full scope of the Dead's approach to concerts and the unique artistic approach to them wouldn't be understood until years later, when geeks dissected dates and versions and "centerpiece jams."